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	<title>Comments on: Pasture: The Foundation of Garden Farm Success</title>
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		<title>By: Gene Logsdon</title>
		<link>http://www.yourlocalmarketblog.com/2008/07/01/pasture-the-foundation-of-garden-farm-success/#comment-16076</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Logsdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I would be foolish to try to pretend to know anything about high altitude Colorado. I certainly would not plow up the good grass, but find out what kind of grass it is and plant it over the all 30 acres. Good luck in any event. Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I would be foolish to try to pretend to know anything about high altitude Colorado. I certainly would not plow up the good grass, but find out what kind of grass it is and plant it over the all 30 acres. Good luck in any event. Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Erickson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Erickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 04:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene:

My neighbor &amp; I have 30 acres of old pasture and 15 of it is weeds big time.  We tried planting barley to compete with the weeds last year and it did not compete well,  So, we are trying to develop a plan to get rid of the weeds and plant new pasture seed grasses. (Broamme, Timothy and Orchard Grass) We have been talking about even plowing up the good grass areas and replanting everything, but that seems to be an overkill and we might be better off just fertilizing and aerating and then over seeding.  We are needing some guidance before we make more work for ourselves in our quest to have the best hay field in La Plata County Colorado,  Any ideas for the high altitude short growing season we have would be appreciated,

Tim Erickson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene:</p>
<p>My neighbor &amp; I have 30 acres of old pasture and 15 of it is weeds big time.  We tried planting barley to compete with the weeds last year and it did not compete well,  So, we are trying to develop a plan to get rid of the weeds and plant new pasture seed grasses. (Broamme, Timothy and Orchard Grass) We have been talking about even plowing up the good grass areas and replanting everything, but that seems to be an overkill and we might be better off just fertilizing and aerating and then over seeding.  We are needing some guidance before we make more work for ourselves in our quest to have the best hay field in La Plata County Colorado,  Any ideas for the high altitude short growing season we have would be appreciated,</p>
<p>Tim Erickson</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene, your original Small Scale Grain raising is at our local library in Oshawa, Ontario.  I had been trying to find a copy for years, but the only ones to be had were priced at over $100, sometimes considerably more.  I had the book out on loan, and as I tend to do, forgot to return it.  Eventually, the library sent me a letter saying if I did not return it within 7 days they would bill me the replacement cost of $ 9, which I guess was the original price.  I had to chuckle and was more than slightly tempted to  pay the nine bucks and put it on ebay for several hundred.  But, I thought better of it and returned it to the library for future farmers to read (or more likely some else to do as I considered).  It will be good to be able to purchase a revised copy.  I hope this one will have modern photos of you manually harvesting grain so that in thirty more years you can look at these photos with the same smile I am sure you look at the originals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene, your original Small Scale Grain raising is at our local library in Oshawa, Ontario.  I had been trying to find a copy for years, but the only ones to be had were priced at over $100, sometimes considerably more.  I had the book out on loan, and as I tend to do, forgot to return it.  Eventually, the library sent me a letter saying if I did not return it within 7 days they would bill me the replacement cost of $ 9, which I guess was the original price.  I had to chuckle and was more than slightly tempted to  pay the nine bucks and put it on ebay for several hundred.  But, I thought better of it and returned it to the library for future farmers to read (or more likely some else to do as I considered).  It will be good to be able to purchase a revised copy.  I hope this one will have modern photos of you manually harvesting grain so that in thirty more years you can look at these photos with the same smile I am sure you look at the originals.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Logsdon</title>
		<link>http://www.yourlocalmarketblog.com/2008/07/01/pasture-the-foundation-of-garden-farm-success/#comment-2343</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Logsdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb Bennett: I have said so many things in print in the last 50 years that I beg everyone not to hold be accountable for every word of it. Heaven only knows my mood or the context in which I said all scientists are stupid. If I said that, I meant it in the same way that I say, with a grin, that all human beings are crazy. We all are. There are some scientists that I believe are extra stupid however. Like the ones who make plutonium. As for your book on pasture plants, a good one is certainly needed and I commend you for writing it. I know just enough about pasture plants to know how little I know, which is twice as much as almost anyone I know knows. Now there&#039;s a sentence for you. But I do not have high speed internet and to download even short stuff drives me into fits. I am going to cheat. When I need to know something specific, I will ask you personally. Thanks for writing. Gene Logsdon P.S. I hate horses----I&#039;m grinning!!!

Greg: I will have that revision on Small Scale Grain Raising finished by October. The publishers will probably wait until spring to come out with it, but I will try to speed them along. The revision is really pretty much wholesale rewriting, because much of it is out of date, some of it is beside the point, and some I have a different take on since 1977. Gene Logsdon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb Bennett: I have said so many things in print in the last 50 years that I beg everyone not to hold be accountable for every word of it. Heaven only knows my mood or the context in which I said all scientists are stupid. If I said that, I meant it in the same way that I say, with a grin, that all human beings are crazy. We all are. There are some scientists that I believe are extra stupid however. Like the ones who make plutonium. As for your book on pasture plants, a good one is certainly needed and I commend you for writing it. I know just enough about pasture plants to know how little I know, which is twice as much as almost anyone I know knows. Now there&#8217;s a sentence for you. But I do not have high speed internet and to download even short stuff drives me into fits. I am going to cheat. When I need to know something specific, I will ask you personally. Thanks for writing. Gene Logsdon P.S. I hate horses&#8212;-I&#8217;m grinning!!!</p>
<p>Greg: I will have that revision on Small Scale Grain Raising finished by October. The publishers will probably wait until spring to come out with it, but I will try to speed them along. The revision is really pretty much wholesale rewriting, because much of it is out of date, some of it is beside the point, and some I have a different take on since 1977. Gene Logsdon</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard that chicory reduces internal parasites in livestock.

Gene, when will you be republishing your book on small grains?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard that chicory reduces internal parasites in livestock.</p>
<p>Gene, when will you be republishing your book on small grains?</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Logsdon: I have your &#039;Better Soil&#039; and &#039;Contrary Farmer&#039; -- from which I gather you&#039;re a reasonable guy, even if you seem to call scientists &#039;stupid&#039;. I can only sigh when I read inflammatory blanket categorizations condemning the category to which I myself belong -- even if they are merely the product of the kind of irascibility that sweaty old men on tractors are sometimes prone to. In case you care, I&#039;m a KU graduate with degrees in geology and vertebrate paleontology, and I make my living mostly by teaching carcass dissection and writing about all things equine. I left academia better than 20 years ago for much the same reasons that the guy who founded the Land Institute did; and like him, I founded my own Institute, in which I teach mostly &quot;lay people&quot;.

I find a good deal that is of interest in your books. One comment you make is that you used to keep a riding horse or two, but that this was a mistake. You didn&#039;t explain that any further in the two books I&#039;ve read, so if you&#039;ve expounded on the subject elsewhere, I&#039;d appreciate you pointing me to the right book or article. 

I might, however, be able to guess at least some of your reasons for giving up riding horses, for increasingly we find that they cannot be kept on the same feeds or pasture that you produce and use for your cattle and sheep. You say in &#039;Contrary Farmer&#039; that you don&#039;t know all the kinds of grasses in your pasture and perhaps don&#039;t want to know. For my part, though, I have recently taught myself the grasses and a good deal else of which I had for a long time been ignorant, and found it not only fascinating but crucially important to my ability to keep horses well.

What I would really like, Mr. Logsdon, is to receive a mailing address where I might send you my latest opus, which like all my more recent books, is published by my own Institute on CD-Rom. If you&#039;re not fond of reading on-screen, sections can be downloaded to print. The work is close to 1,000 pages long, and it is titled &quot;Poison Plants in the Pasture: A Horse Owner&#039;s Guide.&quot; Necessarily I do some comparisons between the needs of cattle and horses. I also, as much as I am able, review why alfalfa and other legumes, especially red clover, are detrimental (can even be fatal) if fed to horses. Most of the length of the book is created by the fact that I include really big, really good, really diagnostic photographs of every plant reviewed -- far better than any field guide in print, and I mean this includes grasses. Took almost all the photos myself, and had enormous enjoyment out of that.

You may not have much time, but if you&#039;re amenable to receiving a copy, you might find it useful. If you read some of it and find that I am in need of correction or amendment, I&#039;d appreciate the load of fertilizer. One thing I&#039;ve learned in my time is that there is no person you should pay more attention to than a farmer or rancher with real long experience.

Sincerely,
Deb Bennett, Ph.D., Director
Equine Studies Institute
Livingston, California</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Logsdon: I have your &#8216;Better Soil&#8217; and &#8216;Contrary Farmer&#8217; &#8212; from which I gather you&#8217;re a reasonable guy, even if you seem to call scientists &#8216;stupid&#8217;. I can only sigh when I read inflammatory blanket categorizations condemning the category to which I myself belong &#8212; even if they are merely the product of the kind of irascibility that sweaty old men on tractors are sometimes prone to. In case you care, I&#8217;m a KU graduate with degrees in geology and vertebrate paleontology, and I make my living mostly by teaching carcass dissection and writing about all things equine. I left academia better than 20 years ago for much the same reasons that the guy who founded the Land Institute did; and like him, I founded my own Institute, in which I teach mostly &#8220;lay people&#8221;.</p>
<p>I find a good deal that is of interest in your books. One comment you make is that you used to keep a riding horse or two, but that this was a mistake. You didn&#8217;t explain that any further in the two books I&#8217;ve read, so if you&#8217;ve expounded on the subject elsewhere, I&#8217;d appreciate you pointing me to the right book or article. </p>
<p>I might, however, be able to guess at least some of your reasons for giving up riding horses, for increasingly we find that they cannot be kept on the same feeds or pasture that you produce and use for your cattle and sheep. You say in &#8216;Contrary Farmer&#8217; that you don&#8217;t know all the kinds of grasses in your pasture and perhaps don&#8217;t want to know. For my part, though, I have recently taught myself the grasses and a good deal else of which I had for a long time been ignorant, and found it not only fascinating but crucially important to my ability to keep horses well.</p>
<p>What I would really like, Mr. Logsdon, is to receive a mailing address where I might send you my latest opus, which like all my more recent books, is published by my own Institute on CD-Rom. If you&#8217;re not fond of reading on-screen, sections can be downloaded to print. The work is close to 1,000 pages long, and it is titled &#8220;Poison Plants in the Pasture: A Horse Owner&#8217;s Guide.&#8221; Necessarily I do some comparisons between the needs of cattle and horses. I also, as much as I am able, review why alfalfa and other legumes, especially red clover, are detrimental (can even be fatal) if fed to horses. Most of the length of the book is created by the fact that I include really big, really good, really diagnostic photographs of every plant reviewed &#8212; far better than any field guide in print, and I mean this includes grasses. Took almost all the photos myself, and had enormous enjoyment out of that.</p>
<p>You may not have much time, but if you&#8217;re amenable to receiving a copy, you might find it useful. If you read some of it and find that I am in need of correction or amendment, I&#8217;d appreciate the load of fertilizer. One thing I&#8217;ve learned in my time is that there is no person you should pay more attention to than a farmer or rancher with real long experience.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Deb Bennett, Ph.D., Director<br />
Equine Studies Institute<br />
Livingston, California</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene,

Garden farms are under attack!  Check out the CSPI news conference on Food Safety aired on C-Span on July 3rd.  Such regulation will shut down all small producers.  Its like NAIS for tomatoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene,</p>
<p>Garden farms are under attack!  Check out the CSPI news conference on Food Safety aired on C-Span on July 3rd.  Such regulation will shut down all small producers.  Its like NAIS for tomatoes.</p>
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